Elements and You Element, Type, Resistance

Valraven38

Hello everyone, today I will be teaching you everything I know about elements and how they can effect you in battle.

Let me start with a little chart I made showing the elements names and what they are strong against.



Now looking at this if we go from left to right we can see that Aqueous is strong against Wooden, Wooden is strong against Igneous, Igneous is strong against Metallic and Metallic is strong against Aqueous. One can also go the other way and say that Aqueous is weak to Metallic etc.

Just about every skill has an element, to find out what element a skill is, you can just mouse over it and look for the icon beside the word Element. For example, lets look at the skill Cleave.

This shows that the skill Cleave is Metallic type, and if we look at our graph we will see that Metallic type is strong against Aqueous and weak against Igneous types.

Also, you should note that after you use a skill, you gain resist to the element that skill is strong against, however at the same time, you lose resist to the skill it is weak against. For example look here again at the skill Cleave, once we use it in battle.

After using Cleave, a Metallic skill, I gained 15 Aqueous resist (the element type Metallic is strong against) and I lost 15 Igneous resist (the elemental type Metallic is weak against). Also you can see what element a monsters skill is making itself weaker against, so pay attention as this can be very helpful in certain battles such as the Peach fight!

A couple questions may come to mind after looking at this such as....

-How long does this resist buff/debuff last?
Well, I wondered this as well, and after asking I was told that this effect lasts for the full duration of the battle. Not just one turn as I first and some others believed.

-Do the resist effects stack, like if I use Cleave twice do I now have +30 Aqueous resist and -30 Igenous resist?
The answer to this one, is no, the effects do not stack and so no matter how many times you use Cleave, for that battle you will always have 15 Aqueous resist and -15 Igneous Resist.

-How many resistance do I start with normally?
I have no real answer for this, I asked this question and was told to use my best judgment. So lets say that you start with 0 resistance for each element.

-My pet is the Igneous element, does this mean its attacks are stronger against Metallic Monsters?
Once again I do not know the answer to this, however if anyone cares to test this, please let me know the results!

That concludes the days lesson, if you have any questions, I will do my utmost best to answer them.

krisper

I don't get how Metal > Water.

In Fairyland it is :

Fire > Wood and Metal
Metal > Wood and Earth
Earth > Water and Fire
Wood > Water and Earth
Water > Metal and Fire

If you look in the nature, it is logic.

I guess it's how the game logic is... I just don't understand Wood > Fire, Metal > Water.
It should be Water > Fire > Metal > Wood > Water (this is now logic...)

Valraven38

Well I never said it was logical, but that is how it shows up in the game. We tested it with numerous skills and after asking a GM to confirm if it was correct, they said it was.

Necronomium

Valraven did a lot of testing on this. This game has 4 attack elements, not 5. So any talk about how earth comes into this is useless.

You can think of the weaknesses based on requirement base. Fire needs wood to sustain its self, so does wood need water. Water will vanish if hold in hands or other way than in a metal bucket, therefore water needs metal. Metal needs to be crafted with fire so therefore metal is weak to fire. I think this is the logic based on the elements here.

I vote for red post There is very little information on elements on anywhere so Val serves some credit for this one.

SoulTear

I have noticed there are monsters and pets without any element so I guess you could consider that the 5th. I know they talked about you being able to get 1 of 5 different zodiac skills based on the elements with the 5th being a 'control' so that might tie into it.

Anyway I have a question, you said that resistance aren't stackable that is when you use say a fire skill and get +15 metallic resistance and -15 wooden resistence you don't get up to +30 metallic resistence and -30 wooden resistence when you use it again. My question is what if you use a different elemental skill after the first one? Does it replace your resistence, add to it or do nothing?

For example if you use fire skill and get +15 metallic and -15 wooden then use a water skill and get +15 wooden and - 15 metallic. Would that cancel out to 0 metallic and 0 wooden? How about if you use fire skill (+15 metallic and -15 wooden) then metal skill (+15 aqueous and -15 igneous) would your total resistences add up to +15 metallic, +15 aqueous, -15 igneous and -15 wooden then?

Kiyani

Thanks for taking the time to write down some infos about the elements Valraven.

I learned how it works on the tough way during the Giant Peach fight. XD
But i also wonder like SoulTear what happens if you use first a fire skill and then another?
I tried some testing on my own, but i came to no real result.
Anyone got an idea?

Valraven38

Yeah the peach fight is kind of confusing so I tried to clarify it a bit.

On to your questions, I'm not really sure about these, I know one or the other maybe even both occurs because during the Peach fight you can use one skill one turn and its effective, however if you try to use it in the next turn after peach has used a different skill it becomes well, not nearly as effective.  I noticed that alternating between aqueous and metallic was a pretty good strategy.

I'll try to find out more by participating in the Peach fight again to see what type of skills it is using to find out whether it cancels out or over writes them, and I'll get back to you on that one

Valraven38

Okay, after having completed the Peach battle again I came up with these results.

First, Peach uses two elemental skills Universal attack a Igneous one (+100 Metallic Resist, -100 Wooden Resists) and also Charge Attack a Aqueous one (+100 Wooden Resist, -100 Metallic Resist). Now after he uses Universal attack he becomes weak to Wooden skills, and Charge Attack be becomes weakened to Metallic skills.

Now, knowing this we can attempt to answer the question of whether or not they will cancel each other out. On the first turn you will notice you do very little damage regardless of what you use (as long as you hit them first that is). Now this being said suggests that they start with very high resists, and that only after using a skill that lowers their resist they can be hurt. Also looking at the amounts the skills lower and raise seems to suggest that resistances have a maximum of 100 resist per element.

Now, seeing as how they use two skills completely opposite of each other, seems to imply that they cancel each other out. For example, lets say that you are in the battle, and you know the Peach starts with 100 to all resists.

First round the Peach uses Universal Attack. His resists would now be 100 Metallic 0 Wooden 100 Aqueous 100 Igneous (Assuming that resists are capped out at 100).
Second round Peach uses Charge Attack. His resists are now 0 Metallic 100 Wooden 100 Aqueous and 100 Igneous.

As for your second question. I still do not have an answer for it yet, but I'm trying to find out

Further study on the subject has led me to conclude that my first theory that elements cancel each other out is actually FALSE. The new skills resistances replace the old skills. After having fought another elemental based fight further along in the main story quest I have come to that conclusion. This fight also showed me the answer to the question as to whether or not you can have say +15 metallic, +15 aqueous, -15 igneous and -15 wooden. This is impossible as the former skills stats replaces the new one.

So example you use Riptide and get +15 Wooden -15 Metallic. Then you use Cleave and get +15 Aqueous -15 Igneous. Only the cleaves resist matter. You will NOT have +15 Wooden +15 Aqueous -15 Metallic -15 Igneous. You will only have +15 Aqueous and -15 Igneous

Kiyani

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